Our Kistler Cousins

Jacob and Christina (Hagenbuch) Kistler Gravestone
Grave marker for Jacob and Christina (Hagenbuch) Kistler. Credit: Findagrave.com/nutmeggenealogy

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  1. Bruce Kistler says:

    Thank you for the great article. Elaine Schwar dubbed the convoluted early history of the Kistlers the “Kistler Confusion.” She (and others) discovered that much of the information on the John George Kistler grave marker is incorrect. I relate this story in my book Across the Blue Mountain, A Pennsylvania Family Saga and Memoir. (Amazon)

    • Nadine says:

      Hi Bruce let me ask you a question on one of the kistler’s i’m stumped on. My Jacob Kistler married a Christina (assuming but not 100% sure Everitt). His children’s baptism records show that the sponsors were Jacob Sr and Catherine (yes oddly Sr was used) and he himself is listed as “Jr”. That particular daughter was Judith born in 1906. Literally hundred’s of people on ancestry have Jacob being deceased at the same date, but I found a will that lists him (known for a fact because his daughter Judith and an earlier husband’s last name is listed as well) as passing away in 1827. Nobody can seem to help because they don’t have the same info as me and I’m just truly stuck. please help!!:)

      • Bruce Kistler says:

        Nadine. I found your Jacob. Unfortunately I have no date of death for him. I have dates for children Judith, Louisa, Maria Barbara, Jonas and Maria Anna. Let me know if you need particulars. I have a note for Jacob: “Lived at Levan Tannery.” My data is apparently from Russell Baver and/or Raymond Hollenbach. I have a note in the file: “Children mixed with others, taken out. Jonathan, Jacob, Judith”

        • Nadine says:

          Hi Bruce! Yes I got That as well, (and Judith, I meant 1806 not 1906 as I typed). She is my 4th great grandma. It just baffles me how so many can have so many errors and those carry on. But yes, his death I have as 1827 for a fact. I’m wondering what his wife’s last name was, and if she remarried…and where he may be buried at. I may have to go walk the church…again. Lol. I wonder what your note in the file, children mixed with others taken out, Jonathan, Jacob and Judith” means. My sources are the same for the other stuff, baver and hollenbach. By the way, I just got your book, it’s a good read so far! Thnx!!

  2. Liad Pernock says:

    Hello! Are the Kistlers in your family related to the Kistler Vineyards family in Sonoma County, CA? I am doing some research about Rosemont College. Thank you.

    • Mark Hagenbuch says:

      Liad….I don’t know if they are related or not. Kistler is not an uncommon name but if one does the research back to where the Kistler Vineyards Family came from, they may have started in Pennsylvania someplace.

    • Richard Schmoyer says:

      Hello :My name is Richard Schmoyer ,originally from Schnecksville .Lehigh County Pa.,My maternal grandmother was Bessie,Roma Kistler Schmoyer, from Neffs Pa and Lincoln Kansas. Her parents and an uncles family left Lehigh County Pa moved to Lincoln Kansas. MY grandmothers parents moved back to Neffs , The uncle stayed in Kansas and i was with my parents when we visited cousins in the mid 50’s/ My grandmother, Bess,had four sisters and two brothers..My great aunts were named Anna (oldest), Mabel and Ruth. Aunt Anna was the family historian when it came to Kistlers and stressed that they arrived in Pa as “free people”(not indentured). I distinctly remember my Great Aunt Anna bringing a guest to my grandparents in Schnecksville to talk “Kistler” His name was Herbert Kistler and he was from Santa Rosa California. Aunt Anna scored a huge hit with Herbert..All my Kistler relatives were there to meet and greet Herbert. . This was around 1952.53 .I would not be surprised if there was a connection betwen Herbert and the vintners. As you may know, the Kistlers have a record of being successful people. .MY nana and the Kistler girls made that abundantly clear. .

  3. Bruce Kistler says:

    I emailed them several years ago to see if I could establish a connection but got no reply.

  4. Willard Kistler Jr. says:

    Johannas George and his wife Dorethea came with 3 children ( think it was 3) on a British ship called the Townsend. They fled as Lutherans, as many did, from the Palinate region of Germany. The were not indentured servants. They left for PA from Holland. Ironically my brother in law’s Gary Frantz (now deceased) had his 7th generation grandfather Ludwig and his wife on the same ship. They arrived in what is Philadelphia in Oct 1737. I want to say the 17th. They settled in Faulkner Swamp which was just east of Valley Forge. Not long after that they moved to Berks County, Albany Township. The Kistler Homestead remains there in Kistler’s Valley. Johannas served under Captain Clark who served under Colonel George Washington. He drove the War Wagon. Five of his sons , including my 6th generation Grandfather served in the Muhlenberg Militia during the Rev War. After the war, one Kistler moved to Ohio. The GM plant in Lordstown was the Kistler farm of that descendant. The family sold the land to GM in the 1930s. I met a Darlene Kistler when at Youngstown State University. She was local and I met with her parents (1980) and discussed their side of the tree. Another Kistler followed many German and Dutch Americans down the Wilderness Road and into North Carolina. That Kistler married a Cherokee woman. Most of the Kistlers in the Chattoonga area are of his and her lineage. In North Carolina there also is a Kistler Valley, near Boone… many Kistlers live in that area. During the Civil War those Kistlers were in the NC Confederate Army. The army regiments of NC and AL teamed up to fight the Union army PA 52nd. This at Antietam and Gettysburg. The 52nd was at Cold Harbor too. But at Gettysburg they took more casulties then any other unit of either side. My maternal great grandfather Peter Haas was in the 52nd.

    Side note: the first President of the Bern Republic (Switzerland) was Peter Kistler

    In Switzerland, one Kistler became a cardinal in the Catholic Church. The Kistlers were also Swiss Guards and Knights. They went on the Crusades against the Muslim invasion of the Holy Land. The name Kistler was coined around 800 AD. In German/Swiss, “ler” means maker of… Kist or Kess meant fine chest or treasure chest. Chances are like many Swiss /German men back then they were skilled in woodcrafts. For sure many brought that skill to the colonies. Philly was always known for their wood crafts by German immigrants ( think Germantown,PA). Hope that helps?

  5. Bruce Kistler says:

    In many years of researching Kistler family history, I have never seen any documentation that Johannes George (“John George”) Kistler lived at Faulkner Swamp or that he fought in the Revolution. If he had three children when he arrived in 1737 he was probably at the very least 20 years old. Thus, he would have been almost 60 when the Revolution began. If anyone can produce primary or secondary source documentation, I would love to see it.

    There is circumstantial evidence that John George was not the man who arrived in 1737 but more likely his son, in other words one of the three children. Likewise there is circumstantial evidence that John George was an indentured servant and that he settled initially near New Jerusalem before coming to Albany Township. I outline this in my book Across the Blue Mountain (Amazon.)

  6. Joan Maring says:

    I am interested in the Kistler woman who married Michael Happes, b 1781. I find her name listed as either Christina, Mary, Maria, or Magdalena b. 1787. Michael is buried at Zion’s Stone Church in West Penn Twp., PA. There is some indication that his wife is buried there, too. However, she does not have a tombstone. Do you have any insights to her correct name and death date?

  7. Richard Schmoyer says:

    There is almost certainly a Pa connection. Please read my comments to Liad pernock about the visit that one Herbert Kistler of Santa Rosa California made to my grandparents house in Schnecksville pa around 1952/.3. I was there and took it all in for about three hours. He was brought there by my great Aunt Anna Kistler Moser , a family historian from Allentown.PA My grandmother Bessie Kistler Schmoyer had four sisters, including my very imposing Great Aunt Anna, ( Mabel Kistler Acker,,Ruth Kistler Heartline , and Aunt Ella from Hecktown Pa. .They talked “Kistler all afternoon long. The Falkner Swamp stay makes sense to me. as Falkner swamp was about two days out bywagonform the Phila Pert ,wher they had to pass by the Quakers.. Kistler Valley is at least three days by wagon past Limerick Twp (Falkner Swamp. The area was experinced scalpings of europeans at the time, which was one reason why the English Quakers wanted them to settle outside Philly, kind of a protective zone. The other reason is that the English were terrible farmers, and the Philly settlers (English) needed a food supply. The immigrants from the Palatinate, Alsace and Die Schweiz were mostly good farmers,using Ermanic ag practises. . . The Kisterls ere unique amoung Germanic//Swiss immigrants as they arrived as “free people: Also the maker at the Red Church indicates that the Townsend left Holland form the port at Amsterdam. Most Pa Germans , Alsatians and Swiss arrived via the Rotterdam Area..Ps I visitied the Guild Hall in Aarburg. An employee at City Hall closed the office and walked us to the Guild Hall to see the array of stained glass family shields,including the Kisterl shield. ..It turned out she lived on “Kistlerweg” in Aarburg,so my wife and I were treated very well. . Earlier Kistlers (before Aarburg ) trace back to the Catholic era in Berne.

  8. Julia Olsen says:

    I have a Christianna Kistler who married a David Conner (both probably born around 1800). They were parents of Elizabeth Jane Conner born 1832. Wondering if you have any info in your records regarding Christianna. Thanks!

  9. Willard Kistler says:

    Johannes George did settle west of modern day Philadelphia, the Faulkner Swamp area… this not far from Germantown. They later moved to Berks county ( near Kempton). He served as a private under Capt Clark (father of the Clark in Lewis and Clark).. Capt Clark was under Col George Washington. He drove the war wagon ( supplies. Michael Brobst was a good friend. He served with him. In July 1751 they walked to Philadelphia to get their PA citizenship. During the F&I war or 7 year war, the Iroquois often attacked the settlers in the valley ( later called Kistler’s valley. 56 residents in the valley were slaughtered by the Iroquois. Conrad Weiser had small forts built up on the Blue Mountains every so many miles. Many if they are still standing are on the Appalachian trail. In the early 80s when hiking the Appalachian trail we came upon one F&I fort. The stone base still existed. An historical marker was there. Barbara Kistler was two farms over enjoying dinner with another family when the Indians attacked. She ran out the back door and into the woods and hid. The family was slaughtered. Often the barns and or homes were burnt. The families like ours often had to farm with muskets on their back. Later our ancestors , five of them fought in the Rev War. They were in the Northampton militia ( out of Mulenberg). They were PA militia. Captain Brobst (same guy as in the F&I) war was their commander. He actually oversaw two units. One from Berks County and one from Northampton. It was the Northampton militia including the 5 Kistlers who went to Philly and helped put the liberty bell in a wagon, cover cut up with straw and headed to the old Lutheran church to hide it in a basement. Being militia, but in farmer’s clothes, the British thought little of them as a threat and never searched the wagon. For whatever reason the British never went further west in PA then Reading. The Kistler family and other farmers in the valley helped bring food (crops) to Washington’s men at Valley Forge. As a side note, in Deer Lake, PA, about 20 miles SW of Kistler’s valley and a mile north of Mohammed Ali’s museum (now.. was his training camp.. I knew him , met him several times). But there is a Lutheran church. It is painted red. Red for the blood shed during a Christmas service during the F&I war. Tuscarorans came down the Schuykill River and massacred all but one woman. She was partially scalped. The building has been painted red since. It is along Route 61. The Delaware, Tuscarorans, Mohawk and a few others were part of the Iroquois coalition.

    Just a little more info for you.

  10. Gregory Bates-Lay says:

    Hi, I am based in the UK. I collect banknotes and have come across a short snorter with Ray Kistlers name on it. He even put his address of 319 East Street, Findlay, Ohio on it. Is he related to this Kistler family?

  11. Will says:

    There was a Kistler who left the Kempton, PA area in Berks County and headed after the Rev War to the Ohio territory. He settled in what is now Lordstown, Ohio. As I recall from a Darlene Kistler whom I met while at Youngstown State University, she and her parents who lived in that area were descendents of him. Further the farm he had and passed down to his ancestors was sold in ( they said to me) in the 1930s. They told me GM brought the land and began building cars there. I know around 1966 GM began putting out a lot of cars. Lordstown is not far from Youngstown. The man you listed may have been a descendent of that Ohio Kistler.

    I don’t know much else about that.
    Regards,
    Will

    • Richard Schmoyer says:

      Kistlers moved around the US. . My grandmother,,Bessie Roma Kistler, was born in Lincoln Kansas in the late 1890’s. Two Kistler brothers had moved to Kansas from Lehigh County PA. .My great grandfather brought his family back to Neffs Pa ,butt the other brother stayed in Kansas . When I was about ten years old ,we stopped in Kansas to see a family member. probably my father’s second cousin. I remember my parents sitting on their porch talking “Kistler”. My Dad said they had some money because oil was found on their land.

  12. Marilyn Kissinger says:

    I was born in Berks County 1947.
    Both my PATERNAL and MATERNAL ancestors came as immigrants from Palatine GERMANY arriving as early as 1709 into NY and mainly through 1760 into PHILADELPHIAl
    ALL WERE FARMERS , with many coming in Congregational groups with their pastor fleeing both religious persecution of the Catholic Church and or climate-induced FAMINE.

    My own FAMILY CHURCH was one of five built in NW region of the County from the Blue Mountain range to the Schuylkill River that empties into the Delaware River basin.Bern GERMAN REFORMED Church was established in 1736 in the Berks County Township of BERN (named after their homeland in Berne Switzerland)
    The old Cemetery began on the hillside behind the new construction Brick and Morter Church on the original land of the first log cabin. The original land had been donated by FARM FAMILIES OF THE CONGREGATION.
    This cemetery filled up and later, hillside land across the main road in front of the church was also donated and is the NEW cemetery and is where 5 generations of my ancestors are buried. I know of just a few older ancesters buried on the OLD cemetery plot of land. Many tombstones have weathered or are broken over the centuries but church records were made and kept up to date.
    .
    https://bernreformeducc.org/

    POSSIBLE ANCESTRY GRAVE RESOURCES first churches built in 1700s in PA

    https://www.lancasterfarming.com/country-life/antiques-and-history/tulpehocken-territory-celebrates-300-years-of-german-heritage-in-pa/article_dd9a036f-3ebc-51f7-b52e-28bc8a223284.html

    check it out…it is still standing and active congregation for nearly 300 years never exceeding a membership of 300 maximum! The German Reformed designation became integrated into the UNITED CHURCH OF CHRIST, so today is known as Bern UCC. When more Lutheran German congregations/individuals and families arrived into the PORT OF PHILADELPHIA in the later 1700s, the Church was asked if the LUTHERAN congregation could share their BUILDING, keeping separate operating budgets, different service times, different pastors to lead them. THe church was shared this way for over 200 years until an elderly Lutheran donated his entire estate only if the Lutherans would build their OWN church structure. The congregation accepted this condition ofhis will and built a new church just 3 or 4 miles down the main road in the late 1900s.
    https://www.bernchurch.org/
    This next site may help many find ancestors buried at the original old churches:

    https://www.lancasterfarming.com/country-life/antiques-and-history/tulpehocken-territory-celebrates-300-years-of-german-heritage-in-pa/article_dd9a036f-3ebc-51f7-b52e-28bc8a223284.html

    also click on history tab and at the bottom is access to OLD CEMETERY RECORDS
    and also on the Same tab you can see the patriots from the congregation that served beginning George WASHINGTON troops to declare our independence..
    My first BEST FRIEND made in nursery age SUNDAY SCHOOL class through HS GRADUATION, is to this day the only FEMALE that served in the MILITARY for this congregations list. Both her mother and father served during WWII.

    I have been doing online ancestry search for many years and am still working on it. LOL
    These are some of my GO TO online resources:

    Palatine Germany SHIPS LISTS
    by year, surname, occupstion , country of origin

    MY WARNING AS YOU SEARCH BY SURNAME—
    Most passengers boarding the ship were not literate. They had very gutteral language GERMAN accents with dialects
    and the ship’s personnel speaking other languages, wrote down these boarding passengers names, and occupations, SPELLING their names incorrectly, as they THOUGHT THEY HEARD them pronounced, and a reminder that some passengers were afraid for various reasons or did not understand the person asking them who they were, so out of ignorance or fear they instead gave their labor-craft as their surname (i.e, Carpenter, Brick-er, Shumacher ) to avoid fears of capture or not permitted to board the ship for any reason.
    Many did pay their own passage fees, though, if a FATHER /HUSBAND died on board during the 6-7 month passage across the ATLANTIC, the widow and children were forced into indenture up to age 21. Upon arrival at Port of Philadelphia, many FARM landholders would meet the ship seeking labor for their farms in Berks, Lancaster, Montgomery and other rural farmland communities E of Philadelphia CITY. They would agree to pay the passage fees to the SHIP Captain and the adult males, and family if any wife or children became indentured servants to the FARM LAND OWNER for decades. Small cabins were often built on the FARMERS land to house these indentured families and close family ties were the outcome for decades.

    As the city grew more populated more food sourcing was needed and these farmers would bring wagon loads to Farmers Markets weekly. Some who fled to ENGLAND fell into this category, as the ENGLISH queen paid for their passage to RID them from ENGLAND where they were not welcomed, taking away jobs from the Germans and or their survival criminal activities to feed themselves or their children.. THEREFOR, in your search name quest, play with various possible other ways the name could have been miss interpreted or misspelled due to the GUTTERAL GERMAN ACCENTS. These folks could not read nor write for the most part. And as well, many had become immigrants to GERMANY after recently fleeing NORDIC countries due to religious prosecution and lack of work, and sadly many could not find work livelihoods in GERMANY or experienced further religious persecution , therefore scared they again made a MOVE to AMERICA, the new frontier under the WILLIAM PENN land grants, seeking settlers in the 13 colonies.
    the ship names may not be accurate spellings. i.e.,
    Kissinger may be transcribed as KEssinger, or Kissling, or
    and then there is the umlaut sound in German writing i.e., Küster – could make Kistler or CUSTER ( German umlauts are the diacritical marks (ä, ö, ü) placed over vowels to change their pronunciation, and they are used to form plurals, conjugate verbs, and form comparatives. )

    Remember too that “HANSJORGE” may have been transcribed into ENGLISH from SWISS and written down as John George OR Hans George
    and Senior and Junior were not designated if Father and son had the same name but differing ages.
    And depending on the language, Masculine and FEMININE surnames had different spelling endings to differentiate sex.
    Many children SIBLINGS would have their BAPTISMAL first name of a Saint ,i.e. John the Baptist, St. Catherine or Catharina, Mary,
    i.e., John George, and John PETER, though they were baptized with that name, many were called by their middle name to avoid confusion and often a still born child’s name would be given to another child born later or next generation as a remembrance or honor.

    Most ship lists do indicate if a passenger died at sea on the journey and of course they were buried at sea, so you wont find them buried in NEW YORK, PHILADELPHIA, NORTH CAROLINA VIRGINIA ports…and the widow’s surname may be spelled differently on the arriving passengers list than her deceased husbands surname.

    Upon arrival to port, those gravely ill, may have been buried in the PORT CITY where they never recovered from their illness or injury.while passenger on board during high wave windstorms, being tossed up and down for hours or days at a time during their long journey. Sanitation was a big issue too, causing many on board to die of bacterial passed infections and viruses in very tight living quarters onboard the ship.

    THUS, often our ancestors had become widowers or widows before touching US. Remember too that many married multiple times over their life time, so surnames of children and STEP siblings change making it harder too. I have found that many older males married younger 2nd 3,rd or 4th wives some who lost husbands and had previous children that they brought with them into the new family, and many older males had as many as 20 children with different surnames as STEP children while still fathering more children each decade. A farmer was too busy managing his farm to NOT HAVE A HELP MATE to care for babies, younger and older children if their MOTHER DIED. YES, THERE WAS NO BIRTH CONTROL, and more important, IT WAS GOD’s WILL that they were blessed with ALL CHILDREN THEY RECEIVED BY HIS GRACE.

    Thanks for your patience during this long explanatory entry. Often research to get FACTS is complicated we just do not even KNOW or CONSIDER some of these FACTS as a stumbling block.

    https://web.archive.org/web/20120403082333/http://www.progenealogists.com/palproject/pa/

    https://web.archive.org/web/20120320140909/http://www.progenealogists.com/palproject/ny/

    https://www.genesearch.com/genealogy-records/1709palatines/may.html
    https://www.genesearch.com/genealogy-records/1709palatines/june.html
    https://www.genesearch.com/genealogy-records/newyorkpalatines1710.html

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    AND …

    my BEST LOCAL PA ancestry online search site is an amazing resource as well

    hopefully may also help many SEARCHERS who comment on your site.

    Bergergilrs.com ( a,k,a, Strausstown Roots)

    https://bergergirls.com/getperson.php?personID=I060132&tree=Strausstown

    As for my search request help:
    Abraham Kissinger
    https://bergergirls.com/getperson.php?personID=I226883&tree=Strausstown
    and his wife Appolinia HILL
    https://bergergirls.com/getperson.php?personID=I226884&tree=Strausstown

    I am seeking your KISTLER surname help
    to find the ancestors of CatharinE or CatharinA KISTLER b. 1804
    who was married to John Hollenbach..

    I have been researching my paternal grandmothers ancestry, but can not find any history of Catharina Kistler.- Hollenbach’s ancestry.

    my PATERNAL surname lIst include
    (KISSINGER,
    SPATZ,
    HOLLENBACH ( 24 Sep 1754 Philadelphia, Philadelphia County, Pennsylvania Find all individuals with events at this location
    ship: Neptune
    (immigrated with his father George) ),

    I also am seeking help with surname :”GACKEN” – b. 1737 I can’t find her ancestors.

    https://bergergirls.com/getperson.php?personID=I110586&tree=Strausstown

    , MOYER,

    WENTZEL

    HUFF,

    I need help with Leah BERHARDT
    https://bergergirls.com/getperson.php?personID=I196200&tree=Strausstown

    I need help finding MRS. JOHN KEIM;s ancestory in Germany
    https://bergergirls.com/getperson.php?personID=I006663&tree=Strausstown
    and the maiden name of his 2nd wife Maria Elisabeth Keim aka as MRS Yodder ( is that YODER?)
    https://bergergirls.com/getperson.php?personID=I006669&tree=Strausstown

    I need help with Katrina HERICOURT ancestory

    https://bergergirls.com/getperson.php?personID=I006668&tree=Strausstown

    I need ancestory for Anna Barbara FINK
    https://bergergirls.com/getperson.php?personID=I196123&tree=Strausstown

    I need ancestory for John Borkey ( Burkey?)
    https://bergergirls.com/getperson.php?personID=I001738&tree=Strausstown
    as well as his wife
    Magdalena Resch
    https://bergergirls.com/getperson.php?personID=I061254&tree=Strausstown

    Marie (Weinel) Althouse
    https://bergergirls.com/getperson.php?personID=I023932&tree=Strausstown

    _________

    My MATERNAL SURNAME LIST includes::
    STRAUSE,
    DICKINSON,
    BLATT,
    MOSER,

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